What is Tantra

Conversation with Sarah Belzile

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What is Tantra: Conversation with Sarah Belzile Transcript

So I’m here with my friend, dear friend, Lee Warren. And we are going to have a conversation today about what is Tantra and see where we go with this vast and ever changing topic. So, Lee is a Death educator, do you want to say anything more about yourself before we start? Yeah, hi everyone, and thanks, I’m excited about this conversation, I was just telling Sarah like, I think I want to have this conversation with everybody in my life, who practices Tantra at such a good prompt.

My name is Lee Warren, and I am a Death and Tantra educator, um, and that means a lot of different things, depending on the month. I think the year and the projects that I have going on and those sort of unfold and spiral out what all of that means. I live in Asheville, North Carolina and Western North Carolina in the mountains and Sarah and I know each other from.

Our various and sundry erotic spaces that we inhabit. So, um, and we’ve ne this is the first time we’re doing this, so it’s very exciting to spin our hearts and minds and bodies out and see what emerges. Yep. Very exciting. Yeah. What, what is Tantra? And, um, yeah, I think I, I, do you feel ready to, to start to like, just take a jump in and see where we go from there? Great. Yeah, I love this conversation. I have this conversation a lot. Um, and it changes a lot, but I think at the moment, you know, um, what I often say when I begin this conversation about what is Tantra is this idea that, um, there are.

thousands of practitioners and lineages and probably tens of thousands of different definitions of Tantra. And so there’s not one of the things I love about Tantra is you can’t really put it in a box. It’s like the Tao, you know, and, and much of the Tao and Tantra sort of emerged in similar ways, right?

Through Hindu, Hinduism, through Buddhism and different places that emerged. Um, there are, yeah, so many different ways to express. Um, but I think my, Um, my favorite definition at the moment, or at least today, um, is, um, it’s a, it’s a book of wisdom, particularly written for one’s own journey and path through this life that’s hidden in the cave that’s guarded by a dragon.

I love it. Oh my gosh. It’s hidden in a cave that’s guarded by a dragon. Right, because, you know, the real truth of the matter is that every single, you know, hero, heroine, adventure story, every fairy tale, every, everything we’ve heard, you know, mythic storytellings throughout our lives is really about meeting all of these characters that play out.

Snow White, the Seven Dwarves, the, The beast in the cave, the king Kingdom under a spell. The sleeping beauty, the witch in the woods, you know, all of it is about the journey inward. Mm-hmm . It’s all about, you know, recognizing that the world teaches us to find all of our answers outside of us, um, in facts and opinions and pundits and analysts, and, you know, the news.

The preachers and the lineages and the traditions and what Tantra tells us is, uh, uh, uh, no, it’s inside, right? And very many of these sort of wisdom traditions tell us that it’s inside, but it’s really inside. scary in there. It’s really scary in there. And you know, like, how do we do it? How do we get, you know, and then there’s universes inside of here, right?

We think we want to go see the seven wonders of the world and that’s awesome. Outward adventure is amazing. Um, but there’s a thousand times that much adventure internally. And you know, the thing that. that Tantra does is it gives us a bit of a map. You know, depending on how we come at it, it gives us a bit of a map for how to live that quest, that quest to find the Book of Wisdom in the cave guarded by the dragon.

Yeah, I love the guarded by the dragon part because, well, I love all of it. It was so beautiful. That’s, like, really Just so lands because it is it will it reminds me of like when I was in college and I decided I wasn’t Catholic anymore. And I was on this backpacking trip and I just decided I was going to invent my own religion while I was on this trip.

And so I just started writing, like, the principles, you know, that I thought should be in my religion. So it was like I was just inventing, like, you know, kind of starting to write my own, like, guide. For, like, these are the things. These are the guiding principles. Um, but I definitely didn’t have the Hidden in a Cave and the Guarded by a Dragon art.

And I think the guarded by a dragon part really delights me today because I Tantra or one thing that delights me about Tantra is the antinomian. This is a Georg Feuerstein term that he used to describe Tantra. And how many things I need to Google that word antinomian. But it means like, I think it just means like, opposite of normal, basically, like something that’s like against the trend.

And. And the dragon brings that up for me of like, where it’s like, you’re going to have to fight or struggle or like, press against, like, it’s not, it’s not just sitting there waiting to be discovered, like, there has to be some sort of, uh, attention in the system or a dance or a conflict. Um, in order to maybe kill this thing or charm this thing or work with it somehow and breathe its fire, you know, um, yeah, that so maybe that’s just also the phase of life I’m at right now, which is I kind of, there is sort of this, this attraction to that, like, the drama of that.

I think the, I think the dragon is always the same. Um, and we approach it, you know, different decades of our lives, different eras and phases of our life. We approach it differently. And the dragon is us really it’s, it’s facing our mortality, um, it’s facing our, um, suffering. It’s facing our, um, Uh, you know, um, limitations, fears, uh, all, all the sort of phantom illusions that we have, right?

If we go, if we scratch the surface of any tradition, any lineage, any, you know, spiritual path, it’ll say death is an illusion. It’s all an illusion. Fear is an illusion, right? The dragon is an illusion, but we come here and we incarnate and we definitely do not experience this as an illusion. It’s not our experience, right?

It’s like really, really real. And, you know, it, and it is, and the dragon is us, right? To be like, when I think about Tantra, it’s like the art of being in my, Yeah. What I’ve been given the art of incarnation, I think of because it’s not that we’re born and suddenly we’re incarnated. Some of us stay dissociated for the entirety of our lives.

Oh my kitty, goodness gracious, she has a lot to say about this topic right now. Oh, I’m, we weren’t even hearing her. Was she, was she climbing in? She’s crying so loud. She has a lot to say. She’s a little shaman kitty. But yeah, it’s really, it’s really hard to get here and be here because it is, because there are dark caves and dragons within us.

And then we project that and we create all of this trauma drama outside of us and then we get all wound up and distracted by that. Um, so that’s another of my favorite definitions of Tantra is like learning to get here. Learning to get here. You two are so cute right now. Oh my god. I love it. You both like kind of looked at the camera with like the same look.

That was adorable. Yeah, this one’s a very good punctuation. You’re like learning to get here. Yeah, she’s a, she likes little shamanic. She’s not happy until she has some shamanic thing going on this one. She came to the right family, that’s for sure.

Does she, like, like to have, like, near death experiences or something like that? She likes medicine experiences. Um, she’s, she likes Dreamtime. She just, she is a little, she’s a little sorceress. Huh. Her little personality. Yeah. Why she’s your buddy. Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. Heller sweet. Ah, well I’m trying to feel if I have anything to add to this.

Oh, I know. I have a question, another question for you, I think. Which is, um, Hmm.

I don’t want to phrase this. Like, would you describe,

is Tantra your personal spiritual path?

Yes, I would say Tantra is as close as it comes to me, for me to define a personal spiritual path. Yes, and it’s so wide reaching and it has me stretch and expand to touch it, which is The thing that I need the most, because what I grew up, so what I grew up with, you know, is this idea I grew up in the Catholic system and it’s the sins of the flesh, right?

There’s no self pleasure, there’s celibate priests, there’s glorifying this death cult, but not in a good way. Um, and you know, you go to hell if you misbehave. And so there’s all this contraction, right? Um, and then I, I grew up in this family where I had a very. I, I would call it a very sensual family, um, sort of an Italian ancestry where there’s a, uh, my Italian matriarch grandmother loved to swear and eat and drink and befriend and berate people and all of the drama of the sort of Italian culture.

And so there was this like split, I mean, like for many of us and I’ve explored all mannerisms of materialism and spiritualism. And I think that Tantra. I love Tantra in, in, in again, that way that the Tao, Taoism is similar, which is there’s some principles and these principles, it doesn’t matter if you like them or not, they exist.

And it, it’s just kind of fun to be like, okay, well, how do I work that particular principle in my life? And I’ll, I’ll sort of give an example. I mean, one of the things that is a through line. Um, in Tantra for me is, is the idea of eroticism and, and, you know, that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s emerging from the genitals or from the, um, you know, arousal hormonal system.

It’s much bigger than that. It’s like the, it’s like the creative. Life force, um, tension with form and formlessness, like it’s, and that is an endlessly fascinating concept for me. What does it mean? What is the sensuality of aliveness? Right? So Tantra is like the ocean and the wave. And then I think what I would say is as my spiritual practice is, is learning to be out there on surfboard and learn from it.

You know, you talk to surfers and they’re like, I just have to surrender, you know, like I developed my muscle and my skill and my knowledge and then just like, let it all go. And I think that’s what, you know, Tantra sort of provides for me. It’s like some amount of framework, some around some amount of, you know.

Principles and understanding, and then like, how do I surf all that? Yeah. What, um, what principle, maybe one or two or however many, have felt the most active for you, like, in the past, like, couple of days, for example? Like, is there some principle that you feel like has been coming through for you or has been really alive?

That feels very tantric. That’s been like bubbling. Yeah. I mean, the, the principle that I’ve been working with, I would say for months and maybe years and probably will be for many years is the principle of the intermarriage and, um, You know, it’s this idea of, um, yeah, we’ve been talking, we’ve been touching on it, which is the materialism versus the spiritualism of like matter.

Um, you know, we are both, we, we have this whole matter, this matrix, this physical world, which we need to navigate and figure out and live in and get good at and make money and do all the things we need to do. And then we also are. Have a soul essence or, um, a divinity or a part, a consciousness, a part that’s not part of matter really.

That’s, that’s, um, that animates the matter, right? We all have seen dead things where form is there. But the being is not there. So like, what is that animating force? Um, and you know, this is a constant. If it’s not conscious, then in most people it’s unconscious. This is what is this? What is this whole thing that’s unfolding and happening here?

What is this? What is this vehicle that I embody? And what is You know, and certainly when there’s a death in our lives, we get to like be plunged really into those questions. Um, and then we get this life, so we get given this life and then we get to do something with this life, right? Um, and we have to, we get to have an intimacy, we get to choose where to put our attention.

We get to do all, we get to make all kinds of decisions about what happens with this. Combination of spirit and matter and often in, in the, at least in the Western cultures, we are driven by productivity and success and external measures of success. And I think what, what the East, but being exposed to the East over the last number of decades has done for us or last number of centuries, um, is said, like.

It doesn’t really matter. What you need to cultivate is the inner experience. What you need to be guided by is the spirit, is the soul. Like this is, doesn’t really, everything that happens externally is as a result of what we’re putting our attention on internally, right? So then there becomes in Tantra, there’s, especially for Westerners, where we can start to be like, Oh, These are not separate things.

There’s spirit and there’s matter and one infuses the other and one informs the other. And so this is, you know, the high art of incarnation. Um, and my experience is that the more I. really work with an embodiment practice, the more my it’s called involution. You know, there’s evolution. We’re going to evolve ourselves in whatever ways spiritually or physically that we want to evolve ourselves.

But involution is the idea of spirit wants to be in matter. It wants to sort of descend in a way into matter. And embodiment practices, trauma practices, erotic practices, help me get into my body where I can start to experience that inner marriage. This is what the mystics talk about, right? Whether it’s through alchemy, uh, whether it’s through the yin yang process, like, like the Tao would have, whether it’s through more of the Jungian systems of the marriage of the anima the masculine feminine.

Um, but it’s this idea that these seeming opposites come together in union and there’s just, there’s lifetimes of exploration of that, um, and, and so many ways to think about that and come at that and learn from that principle. Mm hmm. I’m so noticing. It feels so good to just like. Ride those ideas with you, you know, like as you’re describing these things, I can feel myself sort of just following along on where you’re, where you’re going.

And I’m just like, yes, yes, it feels really. Affirming and also expansive, I feel myself going into these like, yeah, like going into maybe more of that formless and the, that’s theoretical, like those, the ideas that you’re talking about are so like yummy to me and I’m noticing how it just feels good to sort of like, like rest into them with you.

Yeah. Yeah. What about you? So what kind of tantric practice or principle is turning you on right now? Well, I think the thing that I feel the most excited to share about is Maybe kind of an example of what you were just sharing about

Well, yeah, I don’t know if it’s the intermarriage, but it is this more like just awareness of subtle energy so I think the principle that feels the most maybe exemplified in this this story is that the is the involution that you just Mentioned like of spirit wanting to come land in our bodies and be here.

Um, so I’m working on this Forest Fairy training school and Forest Fairy Festival, and, you know, this is the biggest, like, professional thing I’ve done, really, since I owned my coffee company, I think, like, you know, I’ve been doing, like, all these little projects here and there, but, like, this is, like, something big that I’m, like, I just, I really want to put all my eggs in this basket this year, um, yeah, and it feels good to do that.

And, over the last, like, several days, I’ve been having, like, some, I’ve been feeling wobbly about it. Like, is this too ambitious? Is this too much? Like Just feeling spinny about like whether or not um, I don’t know it’s gonna work the way It’s it’s it’s gonna happen. I know it’s gonna happen. But like I don’t know just like I’m There’s been several people who were going to support me and help me that then got back to me they’re like actually I can’t come like some people two people live in Canada and they I decided not to come because of the political situation and, you know, just all kinds of little things like that.

Not little things, but like, you know, like different people had different reasons. Anyway, it sent me into a little bit of a tailspin. And as I, over the past couple of days, as I’ve been just like watching how those feelings are coming up in me, um, last night I was over at a partner’s house and There were other people there and we were all like trying to kind of chat and I just noticed like I couldn’t really engage.

I felt like I was sort of on drugs or something, even though I wasn’t. And, and I was like, I think it’s because I’m still just like literally sort of spinning with this idea, like this, these feelings of destabilization around this big professional project I have. And I just. Instead of kind of trying to override it or, you know, shoo it away or change it in any way.

I was just like, okay, like, this is, what’s, this is what’s here. And I started leaning into it and just like listening and letting my body have the experience of Sort of this like floatiness and and just got super curious about like how it felt to be inside that particular Emotional or energetic expression

Yeah, it was oh it was kind of like being in an altered state I mean, that’s that’s already how I started describing it to myself Um, and as the evening progressed and we went to bed, it’s sort of like I grounded myself, I got some touch and cuddles and that helped and, and drank some water, you know, it wasn’t anything acute, but there was something interesting about watching the way it affected me somatically that felt more subtle than, I think I slowed it way down.

And didn’t, like, let it react, or let myself react to it. I just, like, went into it. Um, and yeah, and when I was sharing with my partner, I think it was this morning, then we were talking about it and he was saying how he experiences our connection that I help him become more aware of his subtle emotions.

And then all of a sudden, I was like, well, I think that’s what I just experienced yesterday when, you know, I was kind of in that spinny state and. And it was just really slowing it down and noticing what was happening. Um, so it, it, there’s just something so yummy about the, the subtlety. Like, I think that’s a yogic phrase or sentence to around, like, fall in love with the subtle.

And I think it really applies to Tantra and also to this, this principle that you’ve just named of like, there’s, because I feel more. There’s like a deliciousness that exists in my body when I’m attentive to these really subtle states that otherwise I might miss. It’s like this positive feedback loop or something that like, Oh, I’m, I’m listening.

I’m noticing that level of subtlety. And then my body wants to know more, like, tell me more, like, what’s next? Where are we going next? You know, like, let’s stay with this adventure. So that’s what comes up for me. A recent little vignette of experience. Yeah, I mean, I think that there’s another really potent, um, and relevant definition of Tantra is the study of subtle energies and, um, So many more neo tantra traditions are exploring that between two people.

So using eroticism, using the chakra system, using the kundalini, using arousal, using, you know, and not pleasure for pleasure’s sake, but really pleasure for cultivating a relationship to the divine within and without, you know, those are all awesome, awesome pathways. Um, and the, the, Study of, uh, subtle energies, you know, you often people Western or especially, you know, um, Europeans or Americans usually enter the tantric door through, um, learning how to move some of their.

Arousal energy, sexual energy, central energy, um, but really when you take the study of subtle energy, you can take it to sort of any tradition, right? You can take it into the kink realm, which is like, I’m going to exactly watch what’s happening to that person’s body so that I know how to respond to it.

Whether I’m in a dominant role or whether I’m in a submissive role and I’m tracking everything that’s going on in my body can also be, um, public speaking. It could pick anything. It could be cooking. It could be tennis. It could be, you know, it could be anything. It could be, you know, the art of parenting in a way, right?

What’s happening in the system. subtle system of my child and in myself as we interact in a conflict or as we interact in a joyful moment. Right. But, um, I think this is where, um, it takes bucking the trends of, um, you know, not noticing how one’s feeling until, you know, there’s like, it hits you in the face, right?

It really is the. the slowing down of having some emotional literacy for sure, but more importantly, sort of sensation, body sensation, literacy, and that, you know, we just jack ourselves up on coffee in the morning and downers at night. And like, we’re not paying attention, not really paying attention to what’s happening for us.

So the journey, that’s where. the journey to the cave with the dragon is, which is like, if we’re going to actually track our subtle energies, we actually have to inhabit what we’ve been given. Um, and that is some of the most terrifying things people will ever encounter.

Yeah. Cause we spend so much time numbing and escaping and buffering and right. And probably because we haven’t learned to, um, integrate. Difficult experiences. And so they get stored in the body because the body is brilliant. The body’s like, well, we’re here. We’re here to live this existence and we can’t process this right now.

So we’re going to hold on to it when you’re resourced enough to process it. And, you know, in order to get in the system, we need to get literate about trauma and emotions and all of that stuff that many of us have avoided. Yeah. Yeah. So, so in your situation, you know, you had a, you, you sort of had a, uh, a situation where you couldn’t, you know, where you, the body was slowing you down and maybe introducing some freeze patterns into your system because it didn’t know how to.

Fully integrate and then you were able to get regulated externally, internally, and you’re working through that, you know, in an authentic way. I mean, that’s the, that’s the gift of retrieving the book of wisdom from the cave in the dragon is that, you know, it’s not just. Because it’s a nice fairy tale.

It’s like, no, the, the immense satisfaction and even access to bliss and ecstasy of being in sync and in tune with our own authentic experience, being guided by our own soul self essence, um, is some of the best medicine going. A hundred percent. Oh my God. That’s so well said. Yeah. The bliss of being in tune with our own.

What did you say? Our own energy? Our own medicine? Our own soul or self or essence. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. It’s where, it’s where the action’s at. I mean, it’s happily ever after. Happily ever after is, can I be in this moment and be fully, fully in tune with my experience? Fully available to myself, fully erotically alive, no matter what’s happening out here.

That’s nirvana. That’s tantra. Yeah, yeah, no matter if you’re like, in a graveyard standing on a dead body, or, I mean, to use these like, wild tantric, you know, images. Yeah, yeah. Wow. I mean, that’s the tantric path, you know, in many ways can be originated from that working with death, which is why it’s such a blend for me in my death education because, um, the bliss that comes from contemplating death, I mean, people shy away, avoid, deny, you know, have all this illiteracy with death and I’m like, you have no, you don’t understand.

The actual contemplation of our mortality is the doorway to the most ecstatic experiences. Like y’all are missing the good stuff. Do you want to share a little bit more about your upcoming course? Yeah. Um, I’m doing a three part course in, um, April called the ecstasy of impermanence. And you know, I have taught about death for years and years and taught about many things, community and other things.

And like, I’m just at the point in my life and my work where I’m like, I have nothing to say. That’s not going to be said better by your own body. You know, like, and just, and the ecstasy of impermanence is just sort of like us coming together and me really holding a space for really gentle micro movements that anybody can do into the pleasure wave process, the fluid truth and movement in the body, just get people in their bodies and then to start to ask these questions about impermanence and mortality.

which touches into the bliss of existence. Um, so we have, we do this in three parts where we do sort of a movement piece. We do a contemplation piece where we journal or do art, and then we come together as a community and talk about it. And this will take people much further in their own process of death contemplation than a lecture of mine could ever do.

It is, it is going to the source. Um, and really it’s the transmission that I have to bring people and just even being in conversation with me, they get the transmission, which you’re probably getting now, which is impermanence is the key to ecstasy. There’s no other, there’s no way we can leave that out.

And it is, it is the quickest way. To an ecstatic state is to recognize our impermanence. Mm. Mm. Beautiful. Yeah, I feel it. I feel the transmission. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Yeah, it’s such a gift. I totally share that like, that felt sense of how, yeah, working with death or just bringing it into the practice, how it really does totally transform the, it brings so much ecstasy.

Yeah, it does. And you know, and the contemplation of death that we will die that it may be today, it may be in decades, but the point is it helps us surrender to the mystery of our own existence well before it actually confronts us. for the final exit. And surrendering fully to the river of life is where all of the good stuff is.

It’s where everything good happens, you know, then this other idea of pleasure, using pleasure as our guide, because Tantra is learning to trust the pleasure of that, um, inviting ourselves to yes, since I will die one day, how does the full yes of my existence guide me in every moment? What do I want to be doing?

Not this idea of like, I have a year to live and now I’m going to think about it and I’ll know, like right now. Like, I may not have more than this moment. What do I want to be doing in it? This moment. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. It reminds me of the kink scene I did with Lauren and Adam once where Lauren was, was killing, killing me.

And I. How, like, so much pleasure in that scene, just sheer joy and ecstasy and this sense of like, ah, like visceral expansiveness that I just, yeah, it really touched something in me. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, this is a very radical concept, but I’m starting to play with it with people more and more, which is death as lover.

Death is the consort of life. Death is the lover of life. Death is the partner of life. There’s not the enemy. Mm hmm. It is there in an embrace. Mm hmm. Yeah. Oh, I’ll have to find this piece that I wrote once about death as a entity. Um, yeah, I haven’t looked at it in a while. And yeah, it is a, I think I wrote it as a consort.

It was death and money. Anyway, they were characters that like lived in a tree. Anyhow, I’ll see if I can find it. It was fun just bringing it up from the depths. What about, what about you? Do you want to talk about your upcoming? Sure, I would love to. And I also just, before we move, I just want to really revel in the magnificence of the title, The Ecstasy of Impermanence.

It’s just, that’s so fucking brilliant. I just love it so much. It’s so you, and it’s so like, it just feels like it so beautifully encapsulates like what you’re going to be guiding people into. So it’s pretty spot on, it’s really pretty spot on. And then I was able to create these incredible images, um, using this AI bot, um, around, and it just, it just nailed it around like these just dissolving, you know, and that’s part of the practice when we get into this somatic place and start to feel the field around us and start to feel us in the field and like, and then the field within us and there is no difference and we start to be able to dissolve.

Into the field and like these images, like just express this dissolution, like we’re just, we start to disappear and um, you know, that’s it. That’s the place of deep, deep, deep surrender.

Yeah. Well, I don’t think I’ve seen these images yet, so I’m sure we’ll link to it with this video and hopefully. Yeah. I get to see them and so will everybody else. Yeah. Ah, the thing that I’m feeling the most, that resonates the most with what you’re sharing that feels like just relevant to the whole thread that we’re on.

And one of the things that I’m most excited about, about Forest Ferry Training School, specifically this coaching, six month coaching program that I’m, that’s forming, um, is that I’m so aware That each time we gather, it’s going to be a once a week call on Tuesdays. And I, we, I’ve done a few, um, kind of sample calls and recorded them and put them on YouTube and I love these calls so much because like there’s definitely skills that we’re working on and leaning into and.

We really, the skills are the learning, we’re finding the learning edge based on like what’s coming up in the moment in the field with that specific group of humans. And it’s so beautiful the way it just emerges. And, you know, when I first started working in this way, I felt like I had to have some sort of agenda or plan.

And the more I’ve done it, the more I realized, like, I really don’t. I mean, I need to have. You know, my skills and training and wisdom and the things that I’m bringing tools that I’m bringing, um, but more powerful than that is really tapping is like creating a group field with the people who show up and then weaving together this unique.

Um, exploration that shows up and you know, this last call that we just did was like, I just had goosebumps when we got off the call. I think all of us were just sort of like, Whoa, like what just happened there? And I just, I really love that. I know this might sound very vague for people who are listening, but it’s so, um, it’s so exciting for me, like, the not having a plan and just like, but trusting this deep transformational learning that comes through.

Through just weaving this field together. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I love that. And I think, um, that just feeds right into these definitions of Tantra we’ve been talking about, which is it’s the river of life. And the more we let go of our agendas and our presuppositions and our stories and our control, the more the river, river of life is like excited and meets us.

Yeah. And it is vague because life is vague. Is completely undetermined in every next moment, and if we can trust enough to, uh, let go, then magic happens. So it’s very tantric what you’re talking about. Yeah. Yeah. It feels like it. And it’s like, it’s just, it’s thrilling. And I think as I’m kind of just reflecting on this, the It does feel like the group intention is important and, you know, for this group that I’m pulling together the group intention is around transformation and learning.

Like, I think everyone who has signed up so far, like, everyone. Kind of wants their lives to be unrecognizable by the end of it, you know, wants their lives to be in some different place and, and is curious about that. And so am I. And so I’m like, yeah, let’s get on this ride and see where we go, walk through harnessing like these tools of deep connection and belonging and.

And leaning into areas of strategic discovery, you know, shadow work or whatever it is that that feels relevant. So, or that that bubbles up in the moment. So, yeah, intention is, you know, is another tantric term is the tapas and the spanda, right? And it’s like the framework, the river bank that holds like, where are we going?

What are we doing? And then just enough of that to let the river, the spanda flow through. Free because that’s where the yummy that’s where the shakti. That’s where the the feminine principle of aliveness comes through Yeah, beautiful. Hello. Yeah. Yeah Wow. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Anything else before we wrap up that feels juicy?

Yeah, this feels like a good place to stop. All right. Thank you, dear. So glad we got to do this. Uh huh. Till next time. Till next time.